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John Reynolds, Product Supervisor for Aleo, on ZK Tech, Privateness, and Safeguarding Non-public Info | Ep. 268

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In an distinctive interview with cryptonews.com, John Reynolds, Product Supervisor for Aleo, talks about general misconceptions about ZK skills, John’s background within the US Air Power, and capabilities + insist instances for ZK skills. 

About John ReynoldsJohn Reynolds is a Product Supervisor for Aleo with years of skills as a cybersecurity loyal. After 3+ years within the USA Air Power as a Cyber Operations Officer, he won an figuring out of the deserve to safeguard self reliant systems other than central authorities whereas moreover upholding privacy and fostering accountability.

At Aleo, John is to blame for product pattern and challenge administration. Earlier than joining Aleo, John was the Strategic Deployment Lead for Blend. He holds a bachelor’s stage in Computer Science from the USA Air Power Academy and a grasp’s stage in Utility Engineering from Southern Methodist University.

John Reynolds gave a extensive-ranging distinctive interview, which you shall be in a position to seek info from below, and we’re elated so that you simply can make insist of it for newsletter, supplied there might possibly be a credit ranking to www.cryptonews.com. 

Highlights Of The InterviewJohn’s background within the US Air Power, and his walk into the crypto industryWhat is the broad vision for Aleo? Distinctive differentiators, insist instances, development up to nowZ-Prize; Aleo’s hardware-primarily based totally ZK competitionZero-data proofs: capabilities, insist instances, and current misconceptionsIdentity and Privateness + safeguarding non-public infoFrequent misconceptions about ZK skillsElephantine Transcript Of The InterviewMatt Zahab 

Women folk and gentlemen, welcome lend a hand to the Cryptonews Podcast. Or now not it is your host, Matt Zahab. We’re buzzing as repeatedly, and I’m astronomical pumped to beget the one and exclusively John Reynolds on the demonstrate this day, Product Supervisor for Aleo. John is an absolute ZK tech skilled with years of skills as a cybersecurity loyal. After three plus years within the USA Air Power as a Cyber Operations Officer, he won an figuring out of the deserve to safeguard self reliant systems other than central authorities, whereas moreover upholding privacy and fostering accountability. At Aleo, John is to blame for product pattern and product administration ahead of joining Aleo. John was the Strategic Deployment Lead for Blend. He moreover holds a bachelor’s stage in Computer Science from the one and exclusively United States Air Power Academy and has a grasp’s stage in Utility Engineering from Southern Methodist University. Never heard of that station, nonetheless I’m certain it was a form out. John, welcome to demonstrate my pal Pump to beget you ever on. 

John Reynolds 

Yeah, thank you loads. I’m astronomical mad to be on. Admire you going during the entire accolades. Huge mad to be right here. Yeah, I in actuality beget more or much less an spicy background. , our CEO at Aleo in actuality is moreover protection force. So he went to West Level. So him and I in actuality beget a obliging rivalry for the length of soccer season. He was a Inexperienced Beret though. So he more or much less has me on about a of the foot traffic legitimacy. Nevertheless yeah, elated to be right here. Mad to communicate about ZK and Aleo and , how these can beget a huge influence on the arena of computing as we recede ahead. 

Matt Zahab 

I love that. Or now not it is kind of current protocol current plot on the Cryptonews Pod. I would esteem to leap into the birth up of the demonstrate, which is you earlier than we acquire into Aleo and ZK Tech and the entire nitty gritty crypto stuff. Obviously the standout factor to your background is being a United States Air Power member. Thanks for your provider. Even though I’m Canadian, I light clearly esteem all the pieces protection force linked within the States. And if any individual had been to ever invade us, I mean, we’re calling you guys first. So we need you guys to selfishly, clearly. Nevertheless moreover that level, I would esteem to acquire into some tale time, faux we’re throughout the fire, acquire outdated hour of darkness campfire, per chance about a pints taking pictures the shit, telling some tales. You’ve got gotten received to give me some staunch Air Power tales, whether or now not it was being at faculty and going during the grueling training or in actuality being deployed, regardless of the case would be. Nevertheless John, you received to kick us off with some staunch protection force tales earlier than we acquire into the nitty gritty crypto stuff. 

John Reynolds 

Obviously. Well, I in actuality worked at a joint Air Power snide when I was love first stationed and it was an American and Canadian snide. So it was in Colorado Springs, Cheyenne Mountain. So I received to work with plenty of Canadians as neatly. So I’m a safe fan of the Canadian Air Power and it be been, , it was fun getting to work with these people too. Yeah, the Air Power was, it was thrilling. I in actuality went to Texas A&M for a 365 days earlier than I transferred to the Academy because I was doing note and field. So earlier than all of the crypto stuff and cybersecurity, I was in actuality a note and field athlete. I was a triple jumper and a high jumper.  

Matt Zahab 

You received hops. 

John Reynolds 

So I received hops. Yeah. So I light even beget the college account within the triple leap on the Air Power Academy, which is moderately thrilling. Genuinely, love I judge the coolest doubtlessly tale that I in actuality beget, or per chance love essentially the most titillating because it pertains to, , our dialogue this day is, , about a of the rigors and tribulations that I ran into whereas I was on the academy. So after neatly-liked training, I in actuality had a what’s known as a pulmonary embolism. So it be a blood clot that’s to your lung. And since this, love, , it will possibly possibly also be, , very existence threatening. And they also came upon out, , I had some predisposition to blood clotting. Nevertheless because this, love they had been going to strive to kick me out of the academy. They’re love, , we can now not distress having you protect within the Air Power. We’re, , we’ll deserve to medically discharge you. So you recede through love this sequence of appeals, and also you sit in front of affection these a bunch of generals and strive to plead your case. And so I was love useless space, I will figure out a formulation to acquire them to enable me to protect love to acquire them to let me pause my training on the academy and change into an officer. And so I started to search out out about into love, what are the need that the greatest wants of the Air Power lawful now. And it’s essential to possibly well be in a position to seek info from more or much less love the a bunch of personnel realities that exist in a bunch of profession fields. And what I saw was that one very minute portion of people from graduating classes on the academy had been graduating with computer science degrees. And then one in every of the greatest personnel shortages was spherical cybersecurity. And so I believed, k, I will figure out a formulation to funnel my focal level and energy into changing into one thing that will possibly also be extremely functional to the Air Power from love a technical and, , job different viewpoint. While moreover light trying to shine athletically. So love, discover about, I’m in shape. I will enact all of these items, the bodily requirements and better than about a of the, , my friends. Nevertheless moreover, hi there, love I in actuality beget per chance this training that might possibly well be distinctive and particular and functional to the Air Power. And it exclusively requires me to take a seat within the lend a hand of a desk. In boom that’s what I did. And within the conclude, I was in a position to plead my case to a board of generals and they also let me protect. And so I was in a position to pause my training on the Air Power Academy after which after which commission has an officer the put I had, , now the blessing to serve and acquire love a ton of skill sets and within the trusty world. And I in actuality received stationed love I discussed earlier in Colorado Springs, Cheyenne Mountain. And right here’s one in every of affection the, individually, love the coolest Air Power bases that exists. As a consequence of it be actually internal of a dugout mountain. It was a cold battle refuge lend a hand within the day. So for love nuclear explosions, the postulate was love, you would take love high valued people and they also’re ceaselessly edifying in this blast or facility that will possibly dwell on a nuclear assault. Loopy facility. Some folks listening might possibly possibly beget heard of this. Stargate, it be all most ceaselessly known as, we beget seen this in a bunch of flicks. Nevertheless yeah, we’re internal a mountain and I was helping to love command a bunch of information from satellites concerning to missiles and aircrafts and air traffic. So I worked alongside NORAD. All over again, some folks might possibly possibly know the Santa Tracker, nonetheless North Atlantic Air Protection Map. 

Matt Zahab 

That’s so frigid. Is that the constructing that appears love a safe church nearly? I lawful Googled it. 

John Reynolds 

K, so the Air Power Academy has love a infamous love church that’s love very neatly-liked for folk to switch yell over with. And then lawful love doubtlessly love 20 miles within the lend a hand of the Academy, there might possibly be love a extensive height, Cheyenne Mountain Height. And they also’ve actually dug out the within of this and they also’ve love, I mean, plenty of tales of structures and tech and it be a stout operational facility love thousands of folks lend a hand within the day. Yeah, internal of the mountain, no windows, nothing. 

Matt Zahab 

That’s loopy. I love that. So what a astronomical tale to lead. So lawful all over again, lawful inserting two and two together, you set this unbelievable tech skills and security skills, working for the USA Air Power. And clearly I in actuality feel love that’s a job the put you create now not in actuality acquire second chances. Care for if , whenever you occur to screw the pooch, you are carried out more or much less factor. You’re on high of your game. Stroll me during the kind of trajectory and joining forces to Web3 and crypto. So did you be taught about ZK tech there? Were you engaged on loopy privacy tech that lawful led to, , recent day you joining Web3? Care for what was your entire spiel in that regard? 

John Reynolds 

Yeah. So I judge I birth up, I was doing plenty of deep work in networking. And what you birth up to be conscious if you’re networking is all of these nuances that recede into data security. Or now not it is love sending data, data at relaxation, and I didn’t beget a extensive crossover into crypto but when I first on the beginning received out. Nevertheless I was neatly wakeful, k, there might possibly be these systems that are retaining global security, which is one section of this. Nevertheless then there might possibly be moreover love our citizens, love our folks that beget love non-public info. And if love the considerations are the identical, lawful? Care for per chance the outcomes or the influence if any individual love steals this global categorized info is a lot greater. Nevertheless love what’s permitting this to be stolen on the snide stage is extraordinarily an identical. These paradigms exist all the draw through in a bunch of capacities throughout the online. And so I judge I received out of the Air Power and I started working for a tool startup within the mortgage condominium mix. And I was helping about a of their strategic partners in banking with a KYC solution. And I straight started to be conscious love, discover about at how a lot friction this the compliance and regulatory aspects listed below are constructing for the tech. Or now not it is love, we can now not even provide a critical client skills, since it be love, there might possibly be loads law. And love, and love the vogue the tech is architected, it be lawful now not, it be lawful now not easy for it to love meet these. That was more or much less that moment the put I was love, per chance love, I deserve to strive to enact one thing about this, lawful? Presumably love, right here’s love the route that love, I could possibly possibly light birth up focusing more of my energy, because this feels find it irresistible will beget a in actuality sizable influence. So I started more or much less love messing with Ethereum. I started mining earlier than proof of stake. I was mining Ethereum. I in actuality feel love most folks will direct this. So per chance it be a bit cliche, nonetheless I was mining Ethereum in my basement, trying to lawful more or much less be conscious love what this entire blockchain crypto factor was. I would been love a bit bit jaded by it earlier on, lawful because I lawful didn’t acquire it. Care for, I was love, this appears love the forex aspect was a diminutive bit complicated. There might possibly be love, I create now not know, the blockchain ledger, all these safe words had been a bit bit love, wait, what? Care for, is that this lawful the facade? Nevertheless , I believed, k, I deserve to acquire my toes in actuality moist. So started diving in. I built a gaming utility in actuality on Ethereum known as Fishbags. Or now not it is lawful love a easy, lustrous contract NFT that helps you to play a mini game and attach your acquire for your NFT and update it on chain. So you’ve got this NFT and it be linked with some gaming acquire. In boom that was more or much less love my first probability, love, k, I seek info from love, there might possibly be love a bigger different right here for love in actuality making a critical influence to how folks work together online. And then that’s what more or much less drew me. And I met Alex through love a connection within the protection force and he came about to be the CEO of this ZK firm. In that time, I didn’t know a ton about ZK outside of lawful love the privacy preservation aspects. From there, it be lawful in actuality, I dived in deep. I did a hackathon in Portugal when I first started with Aleo. And that more or much less launched me into in actuality love specializing in about a of the identification and identification linked product ideas for Aleo. 

Matt Zahab 

I love that. That’s a astronomical tale. Sooner than we acquire into Aleo and ZK Tech, lawful to kind of space the stage, I repeatedly esteem asking non crypto questions, especially by formulation of privacy, because we now beget loads privacy and data that’s unfold up to now and the attain is so huge and extensive and we don’t beget any clue what and the draw and all the pieces about our data. Or now not it is accessible, it be in all locations. You’re clearly a privacy skilled. What are about a of the love most no brainer, nonetheless non obvious things that the neatly-liked Joe or Josephine might possibly possibly light enact to kind of stage up their privacy game a bit. 

John Reynolds 

I judge one in every of the greatest ones, and I’m a sufferer of affection forgetting to enact this, nonetheless whenever you occur to’re on public networks, flip to your VPN. Whenever you occur to’re on public Wi-Fi, similar to you would light be the utilization of a VPN. Whenever you occur to’re on the airport, whenever you occur to’re on the airport and similar to you are about to acquire on a flight, you’ve got to enact one thing trusty instant to your computer, love take the extra instant time to flip to your VPN. I judge love we too heavily depend on the frameworks and infrastructures we’re the utilization of. And we might possibly possibly light, love there wants to be a dependence. Care for I truly judge and right here’s subjective, nonetheless I judge that, , there wants to be a foundational figuring out of security for users. Nevertheless I judge that there might possibly be a reliance that the infrastructure and the platforms are doing nearly all of the pondering for us. Subtle? So love, I judge it be beautiful to acquire these assumptions, nonetheless moreover similar to you would light better equip yourself if similar to you are working with magnificent info. So yeah, I judge the VPN factor is a safe one. And then love, yeah, lawful love create now not love, create now not insist your passwords. Care for every person does this. Make now not insist the identical password all over again. There might possibly be so many instruments now in station and even unfortunately, love they’re vulnerable to getting attacked as neatly, clearly. Nevertheless similar to you are going to be better safeguarded whenever you occur to beget got love, , separate passwords. You’re now not the utilization of the identical exact stuff throughout the board. 

Matt Zahab 

Yeah, insist a password manager. One which I repeatedly direct is one thing finance linked the put it be love and all over again, most folks by formulation of privacy, I in actuality feel love the greatest and baddest is within the event that they acquire a retain of your financial institution story and knock on wood. Thankfully that I’m lucky that I beget not been arena to any loopy attacks but. I’m certain they are going to occur. Nevertheless guys and gals enact now not please for the esteem of God, enact now not beget face ID for any banking or crypto apps. Whenever you occur to beget got a Web3 pockets to your phone and it is linked to your face ID and also you acquire mugged one evening or regardless of the case would be, all they received to enact is a like a flash diminutive enhance and the floodgates are birth and it be crypto. Or now not it is miles now not your financial institution. It’s seemingly you’ll possibly well now not call crypto and be love, Hiya, right here’s what came about. , once the transaction takes station, it be long gone earlier than we switch on any a bunch of very neatly-liked kind of non obvious privacy systems that you simply imply. 

John Reynolds 

I judge that these are staunch ones, essentially. There might possibly be repeatedly one thing else that pops up. Somebody’s carried out one thing silly, nonetheless I judge love most of it is lawful more or much less general sense and slowing down. We’re repeatedly in this kind of bustle. As soon as in a while we now deserve to late down. Oh, in actuality, what? I in actuality beget one more, that’s staunch. Be thoughtful about backup emails that you simply’ve got in station for loads of platforms. As a consequence of I judge one in every of the social strategic attacks is love, if I will safe an story the put you’ve got feeble an outdated email the put per chance you create now not beget it as edifying and I will entry that, then I will force a backup password reset to that after which I will acquire into the fundamental story after which we now beget an birth door. So I judge that’s one other staunch one to call out. 

Matt Zahab 

Yeah, in actuality staunch call there. K, time for crypto time. Let’s acquire into Aleo within the birth up of the demonstrate. Nevertheless earlier than Aleo, and I’ve requested this ask so time and all over again on the pod, right here’s one thing that I enact be conscious nonetheless light deserve to enact my homework on. And that’s the reason ZK Tech, zero data proofs. Each and every single visitor who’s near on and is an skilled in ZK Tech, describes it in a a bunch of and nuanced formulation, which I love, because all over again, if you’re describing one thing as complicated as ZK Tech, you gotta insist analogies. You gotta love demonstrate the exact insist instances. Whenever you occur to lawful yell within the, , Web3 security, verbiage and lingo, a genius is rarely gonna be conscious these items, lawful? So, John, I’m throwing the ball over to your aspect of the court earlier than we acquire into the nitty gritty. Give me love the TLDR elevator pitch primer on ZK Tech and why it be going to be so necessary engaging ahead. 

John Reynolds 

Yeah, completely. So ZK Tech, I judge on the friendly stage, the postulate is similar to you shall be in a position to affirm one thing with out having to uncover what that’s. I focal level on love the identification aspect. So I judge love a staunch analogy for me is love, you recede to a dwell efficiency, to illustrate, and the dwell efficiency has a bunch of distributors that are serving alcohol. And so in case you first recede into the dwell efficiency, you demonstrate your driver’s license to any individual and they also discover about at it, they in actuality feel confident that it be a sound driver’s license. And they also seek info from your age and also you are over the age of 21. So what they enact is that they provide you a wristband. The wristband means that you simply are over the age of 21. And now you shall be in a position to switch up to all of the a bunch of distributors within , the dwell efficiency and also you shall be in a position to lawful demonstrate them your wristband to receive alcohol. And so in this essence, similar to you are proving to these a bunch of distributors, hi there, I’m over the age of 21. I in actuality had been verified and I in actuality beget the lawful to be succesful to receive this provider or this product or , for this event, a beer. And so right here’s love a in actuality staunch example individually because what it does is it reveals you the a bunch of gamers eager. So the oldsters if you’re getting into into during the dwell efficiency, this is in a position to possibly well be love an issuing authority. So love on the planet, we now beget a bunch of a bunch of authorities that we belief lawful innately because they’re the government thanks to the recognition that they protect. And so, , if you’re going during the dwell efficiency, you demonstrate your driver’s license and , the government is the issuer in this case, nonetheless the particular person looking at this verifies you after which considerations you the wristband. And so for the dwell efficiency, the distributors note that wristband as a relied on issuance of a credential, proving your age and that you simply are the lawful particular person to be succesful to receive these funds. And so ZK is an identical in this essence, lawful? I will affirm obvious things about myself. And then I will provide representations that convince a bunch of folks, hi there, right here’s official. That particular person has been verified with out exposing it in my non-public info. So none of these a bunch of distributors to give me a beer deserve to know that my date of birth is, , whatever and my address is that this and my nationality doubtlessly my gaze colour. All of that’s irrelevant. They lawful deserve to know, hi there, this particular person is over 21. 

Matt Zahab 

Or now not it is binary, it turns a complicated privacy primarily based totally plan back into one thing binary with out disclosing the entire info that’s wished. It’s John of age certain or no? Is particular person X, Y, or Z of age certain or no? And it in actuality works for, all over again, a huge number of insist instances, nonetheless that was a staunch one. Why enact you suspect folks beget such pains kind of figuring out ZK tech? As a consequence of all over again, on the front close, what you lawful described, it is miles life like, nonetheless love on the lend a hand close, and we’ll acquire into this, your entire tech is loopy in how a bunch of validators deserve to communicate with every a bunch of and all the pieces. Or now not it is lawful, it be now not easy to be conscious, is there one thing we can enact, or will ZK tech be rather more client edifying engaging ahead? Care for what’s the future of this discover about love? 

John Reynolds 

Yeah, that’s a astronomical level. And I judge one in every of the things that lawful gets to me when I yell over with folks about crypto is there might possibly be label in figuring out things at a high stage. Nevertheless I moreover judge we now deserve to admire the actuality that some people are supposed to execute these items. Some people are supposed to execute these items. And then some people are supposed to if truth be told lawful communicate to them and simplify it so that shoppers shall be conscious. Nevertheless a astronomical example of right here’s transport layer security, love HTTPS. No one, I create now not beget a single pal that understands TLS, transport layer security, or SSL, or the put did HTTPS near from and the draw does it provide us a stable potential to work together on the online? 

Matt Zahab 

I create now not acquire it both. I lawful know when I discover about at my, , my Chrome tab up there, my Bold tab, when I seek info from the, when I seek info from the, love the golf green diminutive certificates, I deserve to connect put of dwelling. That, I create now not know the draw it in actuality works though. 

John Reynolds 

And the factor is you create now not deserve to, , it be staunch to be conscious and love, , as things evolve, more, more reputational belief accrues. And so it be love, it becomes more natural to now not in actuality feel love, oh, I received to know precisely what’s occurring or else it be now not stable. There might possibly be that part of it. Nevertheless then I moreover judge love there might possibly be plenty of puzzles to ZK that folk are mixing into one even within the event that they are separate items. And so love zero data circuits and the computation portion of zero data, love offering inputs, love non-public inputs, working a computation on these inputs after which having some output. That’s love the on the subject of close aspect of affection producing a nil data proof, producing a proof of execution. Nevertheless love right here’s a closed machine whenever you occur to suspect of it as a single unit, lawful? So love now we now deserve to judge, k, I’ve created a proof. How can I portion that proof with any individual? How can I receive proof from any individual? How can I test a proof that I received? And so there might possibly be operational realities that exist and engineering realities that exist that set now not seem like repeatedly delineated when we yell about ZK at huge, lawful? We judge love, oh, ZK is love, , all of this and it be now not ZK is one part of the puzzle. The communication aspect of all of right here’s a bigger part that requires now not lawful Web3, nonetheless moreover aspects of Web2. So folks beget one thing to switch and entry, lawful? On the online, some kind of gap. Yeah, I judge that’s one in every of the explanations. Care for we strive to boil the ocean with ZK. If we in actuality more or much less received a bit bit more narrowed with our focal level, nonetheless light stayed high stage with the reason, folks might possibly possibly beget a bigger shot of getting about a of this. 

Matt Zahab 

Well acknowledged. I moreover abominate the name. I mean, it be love blockchain. Care for what the hell does blockchain mean? Now not now not up to blockchain makes some sense because, nonetheless nevertheless, I direct ZK does as neatly since it be zero data, nonetheless it be lawful one in every of these words the put it be love, it be this kind of safe and provoking note that it nearly veers away quite a bit of the oldsters that per chance would beget dabbled and wished to be taught a bit bit. They’re love, ah, right here’s formulation above my pay grade. Screw it, I’m out. ? Stuff you gotta work on in the end. Nevertheless John, we’re gonna take a like a flash smash and supplies a extensive shout out to our sponsor of the demonstrate, PrimeXBT. And when we acquire lend a hand, we’ll acquire into the birth up of she demonstrate, Aleo. Distinctive differentiators, insist instances, development up to now. Mutter about the    Z-Prize, and I will now not wait to acquire into that. Nevertheless except then, broad shout out to PrimeXBT, longtime friends of cryptonews.com and longtime sponsors of the Cryptonews Podcast. PrimeXBT supplies a sturdy trading machine for every inexperienced persons and loyal merchants. Or now not it is miles now not linked whenever you occur to’re a rookie or a vet, you shall be in a position to with out pains variety and customise your layouts and widgets to simplest fit your trading vogue. PrimeXBT is moreover making a extensive promo for the listeners of the Cryptonews Pod. CRYPTONEWS50 is the code that’s CRYPTONEWS50 to receive 50% of your deposit credited to your trading story. All over again, that’s CRYPTONEWS50 to receive 50% of your deposit credited to your trading story. Now lend a hand to the demonstrate with John. Mate, let’s leap lawful into it. Aleo, give us the TLDR, the elevator pitch. Distinctive differentiators, insist instances, development up to now. You name it, after which we’ll acquire into Zee Prize and some a bunch of fun stuff, nonetheless the bottom is yours. 

John Reynolds 

Sweet. So Aleo is a Zero data Layer-1 blockchain. And there might possibly be a bunch of in actuality astronomical things that it does from privacy to moreover love limitless speed instances of scalability alternatives. And essentially, I truly imagine love, , I’ve carried out a friendly quantity of pattern on Ethereum. I judge about a of the solutions, the ZK solutions that are getting built on Ethereum are impressive. Nevertheless I judge from a developer viewpoint, whenever you occur to find to deserve to be working with one thing that’s more natively introducing these privacy preserving aspects, Aleo is the vogue to switch. We’re primarily based totally off of what’s known as the ZEXE mannequin, zero data execution. And so the postulate is we push all of the proof skills portion of the execution of capabilities or lustrous contracts. We push that off chain. Customers are in a position to speed both on their local commodity hardware or outsourcing it to love extremely atmosphere edifying hardware. They’re in a position to create these capabilities with their have non-public inputs after which create a nil data proof after which an output. So the proof is proving that this system carried out essentially, primarily based totally on how the code is structured within the lustrous contract. And then the output is what the result of working that program is. So you’ve got proof that it was speed essentially, after which you’ve got an output. And so if we test this proof and it comes lend a hand announcing, certain, right here’s official, then we can belief the output of this execution, the output of executing this system. And so that’s one other factor that I judge is continuously omitted in these forms of affection thought processes. Nevertheless yeah, all over again, love that’s pushed off chain. And so if truth be told similar to you would speed a program for eternity after which pause working it, bundle that into a single proof, mix that into a transaction and ship it to Aleo, ship it to the blockchain, validate our nodes, test the proof that’s in that transaction. And then that gets published to the chain the put any third events can recede and test the validity of that proof. And the associated rate of the zero data aspect right here is that anybody can test it, nonetheless the proof is zero data. So nothing of linked label is output except it be added as a public output. And so find it irresistible supplies the privacy, nonetheless then the verification ensures too, which is huge, lawful? Such as you create now not deserve to know one thing about me exclusively sufficient for what you will need me to give entry otherwise it’s essential to give me entry to what provider you are offering. Nevertheless Aleo, we’re light in testnet phases. Now we beget got mainnet coming on the close of the 365 days. And all over again, love right here’s in actuality love the different for builders to acquire their fingers dirty with ZK with a Layer-1 blockchain. And with plenty of a bunch of alternatives that you simply shall be in a position to protect some distance from love gas, as an illustration, is one other one you acquire to protect some distance from on Aleo. So plenty of alternatives for constructing privacy and compliance into capabilities on chain. 

Matt Zahab 

Then lawful me if I’m depraved, nonetheless Aleo is a developer primarily based totally platform, lawful? Such as you are now not going after the guys love me who can now not code, you are going after builders and offering them with bulletproof ZK tech to allow them to then execute these dApps with ZK tech in them. 

John Reynolds 

So yeah, I judge twofold. Care for one, I judge that the fundamental goal is builders. In boom that formulation we can provide them with the toolkits to execute out these capabilities that confidently can birth up to reshape these a bunch of frameworks and dynamics of the online. Nevertheless we moreover even beget developed a language, a DSL, a domain particular language known as Leo. And so what Leo is, it extracts all of the complicated stuff. So love whenever you occur to’re a developer, , per chance now not love a astronomical skilled senior developer, you create now not in actuality be conscious ZK broad, nonetheless you find to deserve to birth out up leveraging this tech. Now we beget got this domain particular language that which I judge supplies you an higher hand doubtlessly in love the condominium because love, , whenever you occur to’re now not astronomical skilled and love ZK is new. Care for so you would change into an skilled with out having to love change into an skilled in coding. 

Matt Zahab 

Yeah, and right here’s all carried out on Leo and that is the reason your guys. Well, I mean, I lawful Googled it, nonetheless to your web put of dwelling, in actuality, aleo.org, it be a functional statically typed programming language built for writing non-public capabilities. Bright. 

John Reynolds 

Yep. And so what occurs is similar to you code at this high stage, it compiles to AVM instructions, which is love a low stage code create. And then that gets synthesized into what’s known as R1CS or injurious one constraint machine. And these are systems of equations. And so these are love, right here’s, , clearly, we’re getting a bit bit more technical right here, nonetheless these systems of equations are if truth be told these circuits that enable us to affirm and test info with out having to if truth be told know the figuring out itself. 

Matt Zahab 

Bright. So what’s the broad vision for Aleo? Care for what’s clearly there might possibly be a pair, now not a pair, there might possibly be dozens of companies within the ZK tech condominium. Consult with me about what makes you guys a bunch of and plenty of insist instances down the road. 

John Reynolds 

Yeah, I judge lawful now, , we’re laser titillating on getting dwell, getting mainnet dwell by the close of the 365 days. , there might possibly be plenty of engaging items to this. We’re very shut. Now we beget got a sequence of audits that we recede through, um, after which we’ll beget love the final adjustments earlier than, earlier than going dwell from there I judge, , the alternatives are in actuality never-ending. Now we beget got a product focused more or much less org within Aleo that love I acknowledged, I’m particularly titillating on the identification part and subjectively. All over again, I would direct that love I seek info from a ton of different, nonetheless moreover I judge that right here’s love the core of the capabilities infrastructure outside of affection the blockchain part. Care for we might possibly possibly light be in a position to call folks that are the utilization of our capabilities. And so ensuring that there might possibly be a framework to enable for that, that if truth be told successfully integrates with love the following pointers of ZK. Or now not it will likely be fundamental and it be moreover complicated. And so I judge love the identification part is a extensive one that might possibly well be a safe focal level going ahead once the blockchain is finalized and we had been in a position to open mainnet. Nevertheless for me personally, yeah, that’s moreover our focal level after which rising developer toolkits and trying to continue to beef up alternatives for new builders and existing ones to birth out up constructing. 

Matt Zahab 

Yeah, neatly acknowledged. I love the privacy aspect as neatly. A diminutive of a cop out ask on my close, so I apologize upfront, nonetheless dream client, would it now not be love identifying age for the US government? Would it now not be age identification for any individual love Ticketmaster, who has lawful this kind of loopy monopoly on all ticketing in North The US? I doubtlessly worldwide too, nonetheless positively North The US. Would it now not be some kind of financial institution with a KYC machine? Care for what’s John’s dream client? 

John Reynolds 

Particular. Yeah. I mean, you hit on love some in actuality staunch industries and verticals that might possibly well be titillating on and that will possibly moreover be supported by ZK. I judge the KYC one is a in actuality astronomical one, being in a position to love name a bunch of thresholds spherical identification and anti money laundering to be taught, , people acquire verified in privacy. So platforms create now not deserve to stress about all this client data, , overflowing there and having to stable and prepare that too. Or now not it is lawful find it irresistible becomes costly. So there might possibly be love a shopper lend a hand for privacy, nonetheless then moreover these platforms love create now not deserve to. Nevertheless yeah, I essentially similar to you introduced up love the US government and now to not return to the tales, nonetheless love I enact beget a non-public affliction spherical this. I had my high secret security clearance compromised within the OPM, the Space of job of Personnel Management hack that came about in 2000. And it was both 2013, I imagine, yeah, 2013 over, I judge love 20 million protection force info had been compromised. Our CEO, Alex, his had been compromised as neatly. 

Matt Zahab 

How does the US protection force acquire hacked? Care for, that’s love, moreover the US government, that’s love the greatest organization on the planet. Care for, how does that even occur? 

John Reynolds 

That’s precisely the ask that I requested myself. Nevertheless the answer is, it be a honeypot and centralized servers most ceaselessly act as honeypots and the friendly honeypot is the US government’s honeypot. As a consequence of who does not would prefer to lawful be in a position to flex and direct, Hiya, we received in. I mean, severely, love these, that’s what these four countries, love they esteem that. They lawful, they create now not even, love the first safe flex is lawful, Hiya, we’re right here. Now what? Put together for the demonstrate. So yeah, I judge love we’re constructing centralized servers that are acting as honeypots and decentralized tech can merit unfold that assault surface throughout people to acquire it formulation more tough to be conscious this huge quantity of label by stepping into. Nevertheless then ZK might possibly possibly also add an additional layer of security that supplies folks personalized administration. Care for right here’s a in actuality client centric mannequin. The premise is similar to you as the patron retain facts about yourself. Somebody asks you to affirm facts about yourself after which you snatch out the vogue you find to deserve to portion, how a lot of it you find to deserve to portion. And it will now not meet the necessities that particular person, , wants. And then per chance they need you to portion more. Presumably you snatch out you create now not in actuality feel confident sufficient to portion, nonetheless you would light be the one deciding that, lawful? Such as you recede through an SSO drift and that is the reason now not the case. Care for Google has your info after which the platform, within the event that they resolve to love recede under or change things, change the foundations on you, it does not matter. Care for they’ve it too. Yeah, it be changing. You haven’t any administration over that. 

Matt Zahab 

I lawful need, when I accept as true with love skill insist instances, I judge that the ZK tech, and all over again, I’m doubtlessly depraved right here. You clearly know infinitely more about this than I enact. Nevertheless I in actuality feel love right here’s one in every of these areas of crypto or lawful tech most ceaselessly, the put it be moonshot exclusively. Care for a minute partnership individually might possibly possibly now not in actuality switch the needle, nonetheless all over again, a partnership with a government or a Ticketmaster or a JP Morgan, that will possibly switch the shit out of the needle. And I in actuality feel find it irresistible be a twin headed monster because on one aspect, if it does occur, that moonshot is recent. And kind of the discovery section will nearly be non-existent because every person will insist it and esteem it. Nevertheless on the flip aspect, the aptitude of that moonshot going down is so minuscule that it be love, is it gonna occur? That’s lawful, I create now not mean to be a Debbie Downer, nonetheless yeah, that’s how I in actuality feel it. 

John Reynolds 

I create now not judge its a downer though. I judge there might possibly be systems to potential the moonshot strategically for banking. You’re lawful. A minute partnership is rarely going to switch the needle hugely, nonetheless whenever you occur to’ll be in a position to acquire about a banks the utilization of this, then that would be sufficient to acquire the comfort stage birth up to grow and grow. Stumble on at 2020 and 2021. We saw what momentum appears love in crypto and it is insane. 

Matt Zahab 

Yeah, that’s a like a flash roller coaster. 

John Reynolds 

Yeah. So love, I judge love, I agree, find it irresistible’s the moonshot, the moonshot’s gonna be required to change the architecture in a critical formulation that we can all be conscious and beget the lend a hand of. Nevertheless love, we enact deserve to strategize love throughout the moonshot, lawful? Care for, k, per chance there might possibly be love some, , banks we can birth up the utilization of as proof of ideas. And then that will possibly merit acquire a bunch of folks in that industry more confident, can shift to healthcare. We are in a position to birth out up looking at how folks are sharing their info from a bunch of hospitals, . Huge one, lawful? Care for, if we might possibly possibly lawful acquire two that will possibly act as a proof of belief that’s announcing, hi there, discover about, right here’s working. Care for right here’s retaining the data and it be making our customer skills better too. And then yeah, love I judge lawful identification verification throughout KYC is love, , lawful a huge one. Care for we’re seeing with GDPR, CCPA, there might possibly be so many regulatory love pressures that are coming into play. Fb, they lawful had that billion buck swish and they also ought to near lend a hand up with some distinctive approach for love how the data is getting transferred from the UK to the US, looking on the put their users are. I mean, the engineers acknowledged one thing love, they create now not know the draw the tech works. Reason find it irresistible does not acquire sense, love what they’re announcing thanks to the brand new paradigms. Nevertheless ZK positively helps change this dazzling dramatically from love now not lawful the patron centric, client administration level of note, nonetheless moreover through this love more curated love data minimization different. 

Matt Zahab 

Yeah, neatly acknowledged. John, this has been an absolute form out. I’ve had a blast right here. Unfortunately, we enact deserve to wrap up rapidly, and I will now not wait to beget you ever on for spherical two in case you guys open mainnet in a pair months. Nevertheless we received to enact the sizzling take manufacturing facility, my current section of the demonstrate, you and I leap within the sizzling take manufacturing facility and let about a sizzling takes flit. It does not might possibly possibly light be crypto or ZK tech linked. Will be health, wealth, happiness, alien, condominium, AI, you name it, nonetheless give me about a John sizzling takes earlier than you recede. Give the listener one thing engaging right here. 

John Reynolds 

Oh gosh, sizzling takes. Oh man, k. Hot takes. You gotta give me a second right here, Matt. Let me judge. 

Matt Zahab 

Yeah, you shall be in a position to, I mean, I will provide you with about a mine lawful now. One, as repeatedly, I’m a safe believer of happiness is a need. And that positively pisses folks off. Nevertheless love I judge at any given moment, you shall be in a position to lawful false being elated and at closing be at liberty. I judge hangovers are a need. I mean, I’ve had some moderately rough nights the put I acquire up the following morning and it be love, k, I will, , if it be a Saturday evening, exit, Sunday morning, acquire up, I will sit on the sofa and stumble on 12 hours of ravishing God bless NFL Sunday in present to pizza and lawful be a fats sack of shit. Or I will, , I will take a cold bathe. I will recede for a speed. I will hit the gymnasium. I will sweat it out with a sauna, drink some electrolytes. Care for these are two. I moreover judge your entire, , the entire UFOs and in all locations. I judge that’s received to be the US gov. I do know you are a gov guy, you are a protection force guy, nonetheless that’s received to be the protection force with some new loopy tech constructing shit in mountains, love the put you in actuality worked. So these are about a mine. 

John Reynolds 

K, all lawful, beautiful sufficient. All lawful. Yeah. So I judge, all lawful, I in actuality beget some sizzling takes. Yeah. So I judge the crypto market most ceaselessly, love the engineers and stuff, love one in every of the safe things individually that will possibly merit us is love figuring out a formulation to protect some distance from these forms of affection huge waves. I judge the waves of crypto is love the killer of crypto. 

Matt Zahab 

I agree. Yeah. late and current focal level. Crypto’s all about love how can you acquire from zero to 1 as instant as that you simply shall be in a position to judge when I judge it will light be love recede from zero to level one, level two, level the entire formulation up. Care for late and current wins the crawl. Or now not it is a marathon, now not a lope. I exclusively keep in mind that. 

John Reynolds 

And then yeah, the stigmas, love the stigmas in crypto, love our stigmas that exist in all locations else, we’re lawful now not vetting the oldsters as a lot. Care for I judge that’s one other safe one that I lawful can now not stand. And then I judge my greatest sizzling take of all is similar to you snatch out what your outcomes are. And I create now not care love what your scenarios are, the put you near from, there might possibly be repeatedly a probability to acquire the friendly of your plan back after which to dream greater. And I internalize that daily. I went through that existence threatening plan back when I was on the academy. And I believed all the pieces was gonna acquire taken from me. I believed I meant to, I worked so laborious to acquire to the academy. Now I in actuality beget one thing that I don’t beget any administration over, find it irresistible lawful came about to me. You create now not deserve to continue to dwell that roll out. Such as you shall be in a position to birth out up to judge greater and push ahead. And I judge internalizing that will possibly change your existence. 

Matt Zahab 

I love one in every of my friends says this, , on every occasion, he’ll ask one thing after which if we direct no or whatever, it will possibly possibly be love, near on, he’s love, who enact you account to? He’s love, you’re the CEO of your have existence. You will enact regardless of the hell you find to beget. And it be, , he most ceaselessly says that after he’s making an strive to acquire us to love exit on a Saturday evening when, , I would prefer to beget a chill evening in with the lady or one thing. And then he’s love, he’s love, Z, near on, you’re the CEO of your have existence. Who enact you account to? So clearly sinful example of the context, nonetheless on the close of the day, it be lawful. Care for, , you’re the have boss, you shall be in a position to enact regardless of the hell you find to beget. You will originate an ravishing existence otherwise you shall be in a position to originate a shitty existence. , some folks are more blessed similar to you and I than others. We doubtlessly started on second or third snide, lawful? Whereas there might possibly be hundreds youngsters on the planet who birth up at, , now not home plate is in home speed, nonetheless love actually received a battle to acquire to first. So acquire essentially the most of it and recede from there. I love that one. That was staunch. 

John Reynolds 

Yeah, keep your goal accessible. Make now not beget any kind of expectations on what’s gonna occur to acquire you there, nonetheless lawful take titillating on that goal and also you would acquire there and also you shall be taken aback on how. 

Matt Zahab 

Yeah, lawful about a 15 minute chunks a day, consistency and momentum, toddler. John, this has been an absolute form out, can now not reside up for spherical two, and confidently can meet in particular person within the future. Sooner than we enable you to switch, can you please let our listeners know the put they are able to safe you and Aleo online and on socials. 

John Reynolds 

Yes, all over again, thank you loads, Matt. Or now not it has been a pleasure. Huge fun conversation. You are going to safe me on Twitter @gweiworld, so G  W  E  I World. You are going to safe Aleo, aleo.org. 

Matt Zahab 

That’s this kind of staunch form out. 

John Reynolds 

I’m on medium too. I enact some blogging, lawful love some non-public stuff. And that’s the reason moreover Gwei World. So practice me, practice Aleo. And then we didn’t acquire to contact on Z-Prize, nonetheless per chance next. Nevertheless yeah, practice Z-Prize. 

Matt Zahab 

Sorry, throw that in instant. My apologies. 

John Reynolds 

Nevertheless Z-Prize is an global competition. We acquire the friendly builders and engineers throughout the arena who’re titillating on ZK. All the a bunch of verticals from hardware, tool, cryptography, and we carry all of these gamers together for a six month competition, half of one million dollars in prizes for every category. The first one we did, seven million in prizes this 365 days. I judge we’re doing love three, nonetheless yeah, to encourage the pains. You received to position a safe care in front of these people who’re about a of essentially the most impressive engineers on the planet, essentially. So test out Z-Prize. We’re within the midst of this 365 days’s competition lawful now. Whenever you occur to’re listening and also you are a astronomical engineer and hardware, Wazum, one thing spherical ZK and also you are alive to, you shall be in a position to light join in. Yeah, so, there might possibly be a safe different. 

Matt Zahab 

John, thank you loads. In fact a pleasure. Can now not reside up for spherical two, man. 

John Reynolds 

Thanks Matt, the entire simplest. 

Matt Zahab 

Folk, what an episode with John Reynolds from the one and exclusively Aleo. What a form out. Be taught loads. Enjoy the protection force tales. And as repeatedly, I in actuality beget loads homework to enact on one thing ZK tech linked. Folk, as repeatedly, thank you for listening. Hope you enjoyed this one. Whenever you occur to did, please enact subscribe. It would mean the arena to my personnel and I. Talking to the personnel, esteem you guys. Thanks for all the pieces. Justas, my unheard of sound editor. You’re the GOAT. I similar to you, man. And lend a hand to listeners. Enjoy you guys. Protect on rising these baggage and tackle staying healthy, prosperous and elated. Bye for now and we’ll yell rapidly. 

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